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Being Logical about God

By Richard Gunther

 

I consider myself a layperson, and no trained expert on most things, but I do know the difference between logical and illogical. There are of course people who make a rule of claiming there are no rules, but they are a minority. Most people, like myself, can see that A plus B always must equal C.

For example, when a detective approaches a crime scene, he (or she) looks for clues. When the clues fail to match the assumed account of the crime the most logical explanation is taken as the best.

Suppose a woman has one cat in the house. The house is locked all day and only the cat is in the house. No other pets enter or leave the house all day until the woman comes home. When she comes home she finds a pot plant knocked over and paw prints on the floor. What is the logical explanation?

A man leaves his car parked outside the house at the top end of a sloping driveway. In the morning he finds his car at the bottom end of the driveway and his red letterbox knocked over. There is red paint and a scrape line on his car. It is logical to conclude that his car has struck his letterbox during the night – perhaps because the brakes failed and the car rolled?

A car does not release its own brakes, so we have some possibilities. The man may have failed to make sure the brakes were on full, or, someone else may have released the brakes. Bit by bit the process of logic narrows down the probabilities until we come to the correct conclusion.

Anyone who reads an Agatha Christie or Sherlock Holmes will notice how the criminal is betrayed by a logical exclusion or inclusion of facts. The human mind is constructed to perceive logic, and to use it efficiently. One of my favourite detectives is Adrian Monk. He constantly amazes his police friends with his logic, yet when he tells them what he is thinking they often say “How come when I look at the same thing I don’t see what he sees?”



Just one example of how Monk worked. On one occasion he entered a room where a crime had occurred. A woman lay dead on the floor. Monk noticed that the woman’s chair had been lowered so the assailant could use her computer. He logically deduced that the assailant must have been taller than the woman. He noticed that the window cord had a twist in it and logically deduced that the assailant must have used the cord to steady his rifle barrel. From this he deduced the man’s height and because of the cord-twisting feature assumed the man had had prior military training which was unique to a certain military division. By simple logic Monk deduced many useful things about the assailant, and it is interesting to note that without logic a huge number of crimes would never be solved.

Logic is a subject which has been studied and written about for thousands of years. It is by no means a simple subject, and there are many variants and opinions and counter-opinions about the definition of what exactly logic is. There are also many different types of logic and there are many schools of thought about the many different types of logic. It is by no means a simple subject, once one starts to dig into it. From what I have read, it is clear that no matter what anyone says about logic, there will always be a detractor who suggests an alternative point of view!

Going back to the cat in the house illustration again, there may be several different conclusions possible, except none of them fit the facts.

There may have been another cat in the house? No, there were no other cats. The woman checked the house thoroughly and found no open windows no gaps, no holes for a cat to come or go by.

The pot plant may have knocked itself over, and the paw prints may have been an accidental effect, caused by the soil spilling? No, this is impossible. Soil cannot do that.

The pot may have already been knocked over days before the woman left the house? No, the woman is a fastidious house-keeper. She would have seen the mess.

When all the alternatives have been excluded there is only one possible conclusion. That is the most logical one. This is the kind of logic I enjoy.

Using similar logic I will try to present, in simple layman’s terms, five different approaches to the subject of God. Readers are welcome to have their own opinions about my logic of course. For those who like to deconstruct everything none of my logic will satisfy them, but then, it is some people’s habit to endlessly deconstruct everything. For them, in the end, everything means nothing, so I cannot see much point in following that line of reasoning. I prefer to stick with what we usually call “common sense”.

In the case of Monk in the room with the dead woman, he might have looked at the body and thought: “If she sits at that computer desk, why is the chair so low. She is too small to be comfortable in such a low chair. Perhaps someone else has adjusted the seat down? Perhaps the assailant used her computer before he left the room?” A quick check of the keyboard reveals fingerprints – not the woman’s fingerprints - same for the mouse. Now we know the very letters the assailant used, as well as his approximate body size. We also know he is literate, and intelligent enough to use a computer. If he sent an Email we might find it in the outbox or deleted items. If he emptied the deleted items a deep search of the hardrive might reveal his words, as well as the person he sent the mail to. And so on.

The point is Monk might have started with an “if” as he sifted through the clues. Each “if” was a premise which he then tested, and if the evidence matched the premise he then had a logical step towards finding the assailant.

Problem Number One.

There are people, called atheists, who say there is no God. But is it logical to say this? One bit of evidence which contradicts the claim is the problem of evil. (By “evil” we mean suffering, sickness, disasters, and all those horrible things which land on humanity) In terms of Mr. Monk this would be like saying that just because there is a dead woman on the floor with a knife stuck in her back, there is no need to conclude someone stabbed her. It just happened that way, by accident. There is no assailant in fact, and therefore no crime.

To be logical about the claim that there is no God, we would need to follow the claim a bit further. Logically, if there is no God, then there is no such thing as evil. Nothing is evil, and nothing is good. It just happens to be this way, and we must not put any of our subjective feelings into it. When we see in the news that a thousand people have been killed by an earthquake we should not feel sorry for those people. When a fire destroys a house, or a flood wipes out a farmer’s livestock, we should just shrug and say, “Well it happened, but it wasn’t really a disaster, because there’s no such thing as a disaster.”



The fact is we cannot make a value judgement about things being “good” or “evil” without drawing them from some solid basis outside of ourselves. We cannot say something is good or bad from ourselves, because we are not absolutely reliable. We cannot get our value judgements from other people either, because since when are they absolutely right all the time? Nature cannot give us a value judgement, and the universe is silent. Where else can we turn for a solid base of value other than some supreme being outside our mortal lives, a Being called God, who defines “good” and “evil” for us?

The atheist cannot call anything either good or evil, because for him these are just subjective value judgements. To be absolutely logical, an atheist must not feel any sympathy for people who are sick, robbed, injured or sad. He must not resist crime, or feel any anger if he is mistreated. His universe is empty. There is no God, so all value judgements must be totally subjective. As soon as an atheist allows in a tiny amount of pity, or appreciation, or anger over some injustice, he is moving away from his logic. He is becoming illogical (or inconsistent).

The problem is, atheists always contradict their claims. They (generally speaking) love their children, are faithful to their wives, care about their community, respect their friends . . . and show great sympathy when others are hurt. They say there is no God, yet they live as if there really is a God. Monk would find this illogical behaviour rather puzzling. He would look at the woman with the knife in her back and say, “You cannot tell me this woman stabbed herself. The evidence points to a second person!” In the same way, you cannot say there is no God because the evidence points the other way. If there is no God, there must be good and no evil. It is illogical to claim otherwise.

Problem Number Two

There is no such thing as suffering. This may sound very similar to the first problem, and it is related, but it has some difference too.

When I was quite young I remember hearing about a woman who lived near to our house who believed that there was no such thing as sickness. My mother heard that this poor woman was very sick, so she took some food to the woman’s door and knocked. The woman opened the door a crack and told my mother that all was well, and thank you, and could she please go away. The sick woman did not want my mother so see her. She closed the door, rather than admit or reveal that she was sick. She denied her sickness, even though she was really full of it. (This attitude to sickness is common to Christian Science and some Eastern religions)

The premise from which the deniers of sickness work starts with the idea that sickness is an illusion. The Hindu religion calls the whole physical universe ‘maya’, which means an illusion, and it includes the human body. All suffering is therefore not real. Our minds make us think we are sick, so to be free of sickness all we have to do is train our minds to not see sickness when it comes along. Christian Science teaches that sickness will vanish when we refuse to acknowledge it.

Monk would approach it like this: “You say this woman with the knife in her back is not really dead? Her heart is not beating, her back is bleeding, she is not breathing . . . are you saying this woman only thinks she is dead? I’m sorry my friends, but the evidence points the other way.”



Human experience is very good at teaching us reality. When we fall over and graze our knee, we feel pain, we see a wound, and we wait till the scar has healed over. These are real things, not illusions. They can be measured, photographed, and tested. We know they are not illusions because we hurt. True, there are some people who imagine all sorts of things which they say are wrong with them, and these hypochondriacs insist needlessly on numerous medicines, but for most of us we know when we have a cold, or a broken leg or a bruised arm.

It is not logical to deny suffering. Hunger, thirst, sickness, pain and inner emotional turmoil are all real. It is good logic to acknowledge them as such.

Problem Number Three

God is distant and transcendent, so transcendent He is not moved or touched by anything we humans do. This view of God shows up from time to time in various ways. He is “the force” in the Star Wars movies, and the Eastern religions sometimes speak of God as being everything, and the goal in life is to become one with God, and therefore become nothingness as one blends with all. It all sounds so mystical and grand, and many people love to contemplate such things, but is it logical?

Monk enters the room, sees the woman on the floor with the knife in her back. “Ah, I see it all,” he says, “The knife and the body are all one. The woman and the room, the blood, the computer, the chair . . . all are one, and there is no separation between them. No crime was committed here.”



It is all very convenient to push God out of His own universe, and to label Him “transcendent”. This means He has no say in our lives. It is like very naughty children trying to lock their parents out of the house. “Take them away! We don’t want them to speak to us!” The parents would very much like to discipline and raise the children, but they cannot even speak to them. They are removed.

Is it logical to push God out? First of all, let us see it from the point of view of sinners who do not want to be challenged or punished. Yes, for sinners it is very logical for them to want to remove God. Criminals want to remove judges. Bad people want to remove policemen. The last person any bad people want to see is someone who holds them accountable – someone they have to answer to.

But what happens when a person has just had a great loss? Or their lover has left them? Or their child has died? Who can they turn to in the night, as they cry on their pillow? The transcendent God is no help to them – He is just some impersonal force, a nothingness with no compassion. For such people a God who loves them, and who can really help is a great blessing, but if we want to be logical one way, we ought to be logical the other way too. We cannot have a transcendent God when we are bad, and a personal God when we are in sorrow.

Furthermore, what happens when we see an outrage? War and cruelty are outrages. Dictators who kill their own people. Hitlers and others have won the disgust of millions – but if God is transcendent, and “wholly other”, this means He has no feelings one way or the other about outrage. The transcendent God watches with complete serenity as people attack, hurt and steal from each other. The transcendent God hardly notices when Nazis send Jews to the gas chambers. Nothing bothers Him. He floats peacefully in His heavenly peace while people cry out for justice.

Monk would have a problem with a transcendent God. He would wonder why the police had even bothered to call him to the crime scene. “Why do you care about this woman?” he might ask, “It’s obvious that the knife is simply in a different position in the room. It used to be in the drawer, now it’s in the woman’s back. That’s all. There has been no crime. God is not interested in this. Don’t call it a murder. Let me go home – I want to watch TV.”



Real life experience shows us that people care. They care immensely about injustice, dishonesty and other moral crimes. Is it logical to suppose that God is so transcendent He does not care? When we are outraged about some sin, is it logical to think that God is completely unmoved? I don’t think so. I think our reaction to suffering or injustice is a reflection of a higher Being’s reaction. If we are angry over sin, how much angrier is God? That seems to me the most logical approach.

Problem Number Four

God’s power is limited, because He is not really as powerful as the Bible says.

Most religions and most cultures have this view of God. They have reduced God or gods, or goddesses, to a lower level, a more “understandable” level shall we say. The Greeks had a whole family of deities, all centred on Mount Olympus, and most of them were weak in some area. The Maori have gods and goddesses who commit all sorts of immoral acts. In some ways all the deities represent some slightly enlarged versions of the people they supposedly interact with.

The idea of a ‘small’ god is quite convenient. If children could reduce their parents to the size of a mouse they could do pretty much anything they liked. Mum and Dad’s authority would be diminished to a mere squeak, and as for corporeal punishment, that would be a joke. The best thing Dad could do is throw matches, or shake his tiny fist.

If God is small, He is manageable. Mankind does not need to respect or obey Him. But let us be logical here. If God is small He is also weak. When there is a hurricane, God cannot stop it. He is useless when it comes to preventing a flood, or an earthquake. He never intervenes in the really big disasters because He is almost powerless. Logically, a small God is no use to us, so while it is handy having Him powerless, and therefore too small to correct or judge us, we must be consistent and also have Him unable to help us when we really need help.

The small God view is also handy for people who want to manage their own lives and run the world without Him. People who think Darwin’s theory was correct like to think that perhaps a small God is out there somewhere sort of guiding evolution, but never really interfering with what people do. They like to think that God is a benevolent, kindly Being, who wants everybody happy, but always keeps his nose out of our lives. It is a bit of a nuisance having such a useless God, because it means He often fails to help us when we need it, and He constantly loses battles when He struggles against cruelty and chaos, but if we want Him to be limited, logically, we must follow through. He cannot be small and also very powerful at the same time.

If Monk was asked for his opinion, he might say: “Well, it’s a shame that the woman died, but there was no way God could have prevented it. He is not strong enough to stop really determined criminals, and besides, He might have been stabbed too! I don’t blame Him for staying out of this.”



Is this really the sort of God we need? A weak, small God, who has limited power? Suppose we asked a mother, whose child has just died in her arms, if she is happy with a God who is so limited in power He can only watch helplessly as the loved one passes away? The evidence does not support such a view. There must be some other explanation. Logically, God cannot be small and weak. He must be something else. The logical path leads away from a weak and small God, but where does it lead?

Problem Number Five

God created evil so we would learn how to be good.

Monk enters the room again, sees the body on the floor and turns to the chief of police. “See this? What a wonderful lesson! Now we see the consequences of stabbing people in the back, let us all go home and remember never to do this ourselves!”



Of course there is a little bit of truth in Monk’s words. We can learn from evil how to be good, but it is a challenge to logic to think that God would actually create evil just so we could learn something good from it. And when you think about history, all the millions of people who have suffered and died because of evil, isn’t it about time the wonderful lesson was ended? Haven’t we learned it by now?

Logically, if God created evil, then He must have evil in Him too. This makes God a strange mixture of good and evil, because you need good as a contrast to evil otherwise you can’t define evil. (White needs black, so white appears as white. Black needs white, so black appears as black.)

Take the logic a little further. If God created evil, then all evil that Man commits is actually coming from God. If God is the origin of evil, then all the evil we commit is attributable to God. Sure, we can take the blame for our own actions, but we can also say, "God put the evil there in the first place." Like a child who is caught stealing sweets, he can blame Mum for putting the sweets in a jar within reach, and also giving the child sweets in the past, thus making them more attractive to her taste.

Take another logical step. If God is evil then what Christians say about redemption and salvation is nonsense, because what is God saving people from? He cannot save us from evil if He is evil too. He cannot save us from suffering if suffering is caused by evil. It is illogical therefore, for Christians to try and eliminate evil from the world, because God put it there.

If God created evil, then it must logically be OK for people to be evil.

Once again Monk is called to the scene of the crime. He looks at the woman lying dead on the floor: “It was a shame she had to die so brutally, but there you are . . . what can we do about it? That’s life!”



As soon as we say God created evil, we open the way for all sorts of illogical conclusions. The most illogical (in my view is the crucifixion of God’s only Son Jesus. Why would God go to such trouble to pay the price for sin if sin was part of Himself? What was the point of Jesus teaching us to obey God and be good if God was also evil? Why would God judge the world if sin were part of His own nature – surely He should judge Himself too? When Jesus died on the cross did that signal just a stop-gap measure, to help reduce evil but not to pay in full the price for it?

The Biblical Solution.

The Bible supplies the only logical solution to the problem of evil, and it does so with simplicity.

The Bible tells us that God is good. He is both good and all-powerful. His power and wisdom and goodness are part of His nature which is pure love. So where did evil come from? Did God create it as an afterthought? No.

The Bible reveals God to us this way. He is the First Cause for creation, that is He is the origin of all things. Genesis gives us a summary of the creation, and adds that when He was finished creating the universe he pronounced it “very good.” No blemishes. No sin. No evil. No suffering, or death or decay. It was a universe which operated under different laws. It was a supernatural universe, designed to last forever, perfect, flawless, utterly fantastic.

But God created a being similar in some ways to Himself, and gave this being free will. This made the being a Second Cause. If you can grasp this you will understand the logic of what happened next.

The First cause gave the being freedom to choose whether it obeyed or disobeyed, and as the Bible says the being disobeyed. As a result God made the being responsible for the consequences. The being could not blame God for the consequences. God could now judge the being because God was also the judge.

All the evil in the world flows from the fact that humans chose and continue to choose to disobey God. (There is an added complication with Satan and his followers, but they are essentially in the same place, created, free will agents and also sinners before God) Because we are free to choose, we can sometimes show outstanding obedience, or outstanding depravity. Newspapers usually pick up on the depravity part.

Logically the problem of evil is part of being human. We cannot blame God for it because we choose to disobey God. Right from our early childhood we have a bias towards sin, as any good parent will know. Even little children show hate, spite, vengeance, guile, dishonesty, and so on. Parents never have to teach their children how to be bad! Children who grow up unchecked become evil adults, drinking in sin and eating evil like hungry monsters. The continual diet of depravity on TV most nights is all food for evil hearts as they feast on the blasphemy, murder, violence and cruelty night after night, actually enjoying things which are offensive to God. Instead of fleeing such things, they suck it up as entertainment, when they should be repelled by it. Evil answers to evil, and evil feeds evil.

Logically, if evil is Man’s problem, then the crucifixion makes perfect sense. God loves us, and wants to save us from certain death and hell, but He cannot do this from heaven. He has to humble Himself down to the size and shape of a sinful human (yet without sinning), and then pay the ultimate price for all sinners.

The Biblical view would come across something like this if Monk were called: “This woman,” says Monk, “Has been brutally killed. My heart is deeply pained because of the terrible injustice of this crime. We must do everything we can to catch the criminal and bring him to judgement!”



The Bible supplies the best, and most logical solution to the questions raised.

Yes there is a God. He is wise and wonderful and grander and bigger than we can imagine. When we look at the stars we see some of His handiwork. Nature abounds with His marvels. He created the delicate wings of the butterfly, the massive body of the whale, the mighty ocean, the fragile snowflake, the sunrise and the oak tree.

Yes suffering is real. God is always moved by the pain and heartache of this world, and He does comfort us with His promises, and many times with provision. He cannot intervene in the ways we would like Him to because (a) He is not a small God who does what we want, and (b) He will not interfere with our free will, but He does provide many blessings to help. He has also made available a vast wealth of resources for Man to use, but Man keeps using these resources for greed, for money, or for war. Mankind can make a huge difference, but Man follows religion, or philosophy which is opposed to God, so God leaves man to the consequences of his own rebellion. Apart from ‘natural disasters’ Man is responsible, and could alleviate most of the world’s suffering, if he so chose.

Yes God is transcendent, but He is also personal. He watches over all His creation, but He also ‘joins Himself to it’. The fact that God became a man and lived among us shows the incredible commitment which God has towards us. Jesus lived about 30 years, working, eating, sleeping, walking, washing and so on, from birth, through childhood, to manhood. He identified with people in His ministry. He devoted three years to his disciples. He called them by name and ate with them.

When he was finished with that part of His plan, he surrendered his body to the Romans and allowed it to be nailed to a cross. There on the cross Jesus suffered intense pain, but what was even worse was the agony of His soul as all the world’s sin was brought to bear. The sinless Son of God willingly took our sins and died for us – this is no transcendent God. This is a God who cares for us more than we care for ourselves!

Yes His power is limited, but only in the sense that He will not reveal his glory to us because if He did we would be instantly destroyed by it. Skeptical people mistake God’s great kindness and gentleness toward us for powerlessness. They think that just because God does not send a bolt of lightning down as proof of His existence that He is unable to. What these people fail to understand is the true nature of God. First they put Him in a little box, which is shaped by their own definitions, and then they throw criticisms at it – well of course they are right, because they have already defined Him in such a way. But if the Biblical God is examined, the criticisms just won’t stick.

Yes He created humans, but they invented evil by themselves. The human race likes to drag God into a courtroom and put Him in the dock, as if God has to answer to Man! The truth is, Mankind is in the dock, and God is the presiding Judge.

 

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